From: John Conover <john@email.johncon.com>
Subject: Re: Traditional Wisdom... LO9032
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:54:52 -0700
Brock Vodden writes: > Replying to LO8898 -- > > Who is accountable for this defective traditional system of management > development? > IMHO, Harvard Business School, and its reliance on contemporary extensions of the time motion studies of Taylor, (the so-called "American Management.") The conceptual paradigm is to analyze the temporal relationship of cause and effect in human organizations. Analytical methodologies can by applied to this paradigm, for example, the conceptual frameworks like MBO, where organizational objectives can be defined in a time-line fashion. In sufficiently complex systems, cause and effect can not be isolated, from each other, ie., the cause is the effect, which is the cause, and so on, ad infinitum. Whether human organizations are such a "sufficiently complex system," or not, remains to be seen. However, if you refer to the diagram on page 81 of the 5D book, and assume it adequately "models" an organization's sales process, then you would have to assume that the sales organization is such a "sufficiently complex system." (The diagram, with its positive feedback system exhibits "increasing returns," and if there is any random variability in the process, it would be termed a "fractal process," which is the simplest of a large family of "sufficiently complex systems.") John BTW, I do not mean this to be interpreted as a "cheap shot" at HBS. The average company, in the US, has 17 people, or less, (see http://www.stat-usa.gov/ for the demographics,) and I would assume that HBS would define its academic curriculum to provide the simplest concept that was applicable to the largest "market" available. MBO may be adequate for a such a simple system as managing actions of 17 people. However, I seriously doubt that the applicability of MBO can be extended to a large organization, since, as organizational complexity increases, the ability to discern the temporal relation of cause and effect decreases, from both a systemic and information-theoretic analytical standpoint. (ie., from the information-theoretic standpoint, the system may be operating on cause and effect principles-however, because of entropic limitations, you will never be able to prove it, or analyze it. Physicists are familiar with the concept-an electron may, indeed, operate in a deterministic fashion-ie., we could measure both its velocity and position-but because of entropic uncertainty, as defined by Heisenberg, we will forever remain uncertain whether the electron operates on deterministic principles.) -- John Conover, john@email.johncon.com, http://www.johncon.com/